Real Estate Uncensored - Real Estate Sales & Marketing Training Podcast

Get actionable ideas, insight & inspiration to turn your real estate career into a life of freedom. Real Estate Uncensored delivers 3 live shows/wk showing you how to blend the latest high-tech and high-touch prospecting, sales and marketing strategies to grow your real estate business. Featuring interviews with mega agents like Joshua Smith, Jeff Cohn, Brett Tanner, Greg Harrelson, Jeff Latham, Aaron Wittenstein, Marti Hampton and many more. You’ll learn how to make 100+ calls/hr, how to use prospecting systems and scripts to sell 500 homes/yr, how to bring homes to market & actually get them sold, how to run high-tech open houses & much more. Co-hosted by Greg McDaniel, the "Junior Grandmaster" / Bay area Realtor, and Matt Johnson, partner in Elite Real Estate Systems / founder of Pursuing Results, a podcast PR + production firm.
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Feb 29, 2016

How do you avoid Shiny Object Syndrome in a world that pressures you to be on every social media platform all the time? Join us as we break down a recent article on social media and explain how it applies (or doesn’t apply) to real estate. 

Takeaways + Tactics

1. If you don’t understand marketing, you’re probably going to waste a lot of time on social media

2. You don’t have to be everywhere - focus on finding your best platform and stick with it

3. It’s hard to track expert status or celebrity status back to specific deals, but that status is so powerful it’s worth investing time to create

You don’t have to do everything or be everywhere. Find what works for you, build your audience there, and relax. Don’t fall victim to Shiny Object Syndrome! 

Feb 26, 2016

It’s very difficult to innovate in real estate, so the real innovation is to your fingerprint and your voice to the business. In one of the most content-packed interviews, real estate trainer and consultant Chris Angell shares his strategies for farming, building a tribe around common interests, finding your format and adding value to your farm so you OWN your farm.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Don’t focus on the technology - focus on yourself first

2. There are only three ways to capture content - writing, audio and video

3. Stop talking about real estate - nobody cares

Because of the information age, our industry has shifted from a sales industry to a consulting industry. -Chris Angell

Resources & Links:

25 Nugget of Essential Social Media Wisdom

High-Tech / High-Touch Farming - Our complete farming video training course, 10 modules covering all aspects of picking your farm, cold and warm prospecting, with 2 bonus videos on little-known ways to use Zillow and working events in your farm.

6 Steps to Picking The Best Farm- Free resources including a Farm Decision Matrix, B2B Visibility Campaign and a 30 Day Launch Plan

Chris started by sharing one of the most important insights we’ve ever heard - That the information age has transformed real estate from a sales industry to a consulting industry. Unfortunately, almost all the real estate training out there is sales-focused: scripts, closing techniques, persuasion, overcoming objections, etc. Nobody is training agents on how to behave and attract people like a consultant.

Then Chris shared the only question you’ll ever need as a consultant - “What’s important to you about that?” and explained why you must have lead gen systems turned on so you can be a consultant instead of a salesman. “Your consistency is what makes something work,” Chris explained. “What’s important to keeping lead gen turned on is having a format that you can sustain.”

So how do you decide how to market yourself, especially to a farm? Instead of copying, look first at who you are, not the technology. Are you task-oriented or people-oriented, do you need immediate results, or do you like endless tweaking of mechanics to get a result, etc. Then you can look at the format to capture the best way you produce content, whether it’s writing, audio or video.

Next, look at the content you put out into the world. Is it valuable? Would people miss it if you stopped putting it out there? Is it so good people would be willing to pay for it?
“Stop talking about real estate - nobody cares - you must speak to people in terms of a common interest that has nothing to do with real estate.” Chris added, “We have to get upstream from the transaction and start building real relationships with real people about things we both like.”

Finally, Chris outlined some of his strategies for owning the visibility in your farm and creating the story in those homeowner’s minds that you’re the hardest working agent in their area. Summing up his approach, Chris explained, “A lot of people get into real estate to help people, and they’re made to feel stupid - we are not speaking to people based on how they’re wired.”

There were too many great quotes from this interview to pull them all out, so go back and listen to this interview over and over. Chris’ approach can completely revolutionize how you think of farming (and marketing in general), allowing you to build your business based on how you’re wired. Stop listening to traditional real estate coaching. Find your voice, find your format and start building your tribe!

Show Highlights

3:00 Chris’ background in real estate and transition out of managing 200+ agents to consulting
6:25 Q&A: How to respond to an objection for a Zillow Make Me Move seller who thinks they’ll make more by waiting till next year
10:40 How the information age has changed the industry from sales to consulting, and why consulting is focused on questions - not persuading clients to buy or sell
13:05 Why overcoming objections creates resistance - it’s better to open up clients with great questions and honest conversation
15:00 It’s hard to be a consultant when you’re hungry - put lead gen systems in place so your basic needs are met - how this frees you to have higher level conversations with clients
16:32 The only question you ever need as a consultant
19:30 Why most people fail by copying what works for others - why real estate isn’t as hard as we make it
22:55 Why your farming and marketing must start with who you are - rather than starting outside of yourself
24:31 You don’t have to create custom content for every platform - find your platform, then just repurpose the content after you’ve created it
26:10 “Your consistency is what makes something work. What’s important to keeping lead gen turned on is having a format that you can sustain.”
27:40 First, think about who you are, not the technology. 31:30 Three ways to capture content - writing, audio or video - and how to reach people by building a tribe around an idea completely outside of real estate
33:30 Stop talking about real estate and get upstream from the transaction
34:38 Your database is too small - why you need to build a larger tribe around your common interest to sustain your business - why you can’t build engagement around real estate - The Engagement Algorhythm (E= L.I.S.T)
38:55 Agents are looking for gimmicky and cheesy ways to let people know we’re in real estate because we haven’t been taught a better way to connect with people
41:20 Why your marketing efforts must add value to the space - the litmus test for your marketing and farming materials
50:33 How to OWN the visibility in your geo-farm - why you should hold 3 one-hour Open Houses during the week rather than just one on the weekend - the difference between layered farming vs linear farming
52:45 Rules of thumb for number of homes and turnover rates in your geo-farm
57:02 Traditional real estate caoching is advice from high D’s that only works for other high D’s - we are not speaking to people based on how they’re wired
58:11 It’s very difficult to innovate around real estate - the real opportunity for innovation is in how you bring your fingerprint and your voice to the business

Guest Bio

Chris Angell is a real estate consultant and trainer based in Spokane, WA. Chris sold real estate himself for 6 years, ran a KW office for over 5 years, overseeing 200+ agents before founding his consulting firm. Chris also has a farming training product called Groundswell, you can learn more and get his 6 Steps to Picking the Right Farm at Farmchecklist.

Feb 24, 2016

52% of your communication has nothing to do with your words or tone of voice, it’s body language. Improving your body language can have a massive impact on your ability to communicate, influence and persuade.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Improve your first impression by smiling with your eyes and adding an eyebrow bump

2. Attraction to you is created when there is more demand for you than supply - having an energy of need or lack can sabotage you before you ever show up for a meeting

3. Spend a few minutes before appointments going through power poses to put yourself in a powerful and confident mental state

We kick things off with a question squarely within Greg’s wheelhouse on serving beer at an open house. Greg explained why you should never, ever, ever serve alcohol at an open house, and how that differs from client parties or other events where you control the environment and access.

Greg then shared a tip on how he uses body language to greet people at an open house, blocking off certain avenues so they go through the house in a certain way and opening up your body language so you make the best first impression.

Then we dive into body language basics, starting with 4 initial responses every human has to other humans: 1) Friend, 2) Threat, 3) Sexual partner or 4) Indifferent. Each of us is sending and receiving these signals from other people all the time, and it’s possible to give off the wrong signal without realizing it.

Next we covered how to smile naturally, using your eyes and not just your mouth, and incorporate an eyebrow pop to make people feel comfortable. Greg also shared the ideal handshake, and the origin of the phrase “over the top.”

Then we get into posture, alignment, protective versus open posture, expanding, taking up space, power poses and peacocking. Greg explained how he’s used the power poses to put himeself in a great mental state for client appointments. Matt shared how much of the body language issues can be solved by 1) Dealing with the underlying insecurities that leak out in your body language, and 2) Asking yourself are you being open or are you being protective, as a shortcut to getting into better body language.

Lastly, Matt shared some body language No-No’s, how to immediately boost your appearance of confidence in appointments by slowing down your movements and breathing, letting go of tension. Matt also explained how important energy is to body language, how it affects other people, and how to channel nervous energy into movement during public speaking.

You can improve your body language in two ways:

1) Paying attention to and changing your physical posture and mannerisms, or

2) Work on the underlying issues that cause your poor body language. Start by taking practical steps, like slowing down, smiling more and staying in an open posture.

Feb 22, 2016


“You just have to get your name out there!” That’s the best marketing advice most people have to offer. Sadly for most people, it’s also wildly ineffective. What good is your spreading the word about you if you give people no compelling reason to trust you or contact you? Where’s the attraction? In this special Marketing Q&A episode, we tackle some common (and not so common) real estate marketing questions.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Slogans are usually cheesy and have no compelling reason for prospects to trust you or contact you

2. Direct mail is coming back- especially in a world of social media and email

3. Get out there and start serving clients - your marketing message or slogan should come organically from the actual work you do for clients

It’s much better to be clear than clever. -Anonymous

We started by answering a question about solar panels from the Lead Gen Facebook Group, Greg recommends solar panels only in cases where you plan on staying in the house for decades to come. We also answered a question about direct mail versus email newsletters and shared why direct mail is an option to seriously consider if you have the right demographic market.

Then we tackle the common question: What’s a good slogan for an agent? Assuming you don’t want to use the winner, “We very rarely kick puppies” it also begs the question, Why do you need a slogan in the first place?

Greg shared some slogans from his team’s history, and Matt accidentally mocked the slogan Greg wrote himself, “Treating every client like family.” Both Greg and Matt agree you’re better off figuring out your ideal client and your unique way of serving them and allow your marketing message to come together naturally. Remember, it’s much better to be clear than clever.

So if you’re looking to attract more clients, it’s going to take more than getting your name out there. People need a compelling reason to take a step toward you, and it’s your responsibility to figure out exactly who your ideal client is and adjust your message and marketing materials to attract your ideal clients.

Feb 19, 2016

Short sales and foreclosures are a unique niche most agents will encounter at some point but frequently don’t have the skills or expertise to handle. Short sale negotiator and expert Angela Burton joins us to share her background, how she helps negotiate short sales and what it takes to work this niche.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. You don’t have to be a short sale expert yourself - you can bring in a short sale expert to help you negotiate with the banks and give your client the best service

2 Short sales take an average of 3-6 months

3. Beware of buyers wanting to buy a short sale - your buyer agent fee cannot come out of the listing side, so your buyers are responsible for paying you directly

We believe real estate could radically change in the next 5-10 years, so you may need to shift gears to stay in the business. You might even need to learn new types of transactions and a new way to manage transactions for your clients by putting together a custom team of outside experts. Take Angela’s advice and binge on educational content on YouTube and take advantage of company training programs. They might lead to whole new source of business for you.

Guest Bio

Angela Burton is a short sales real estate expert, negotiator, property manager and licensed agent. She serves as Short Sales Negotiator for Significa Corp and as a listing agent for Keller Williams in Pittsburgh, PA. Angela has over 20 years experience in every facet of the real estate industry, including sales, investing, financials, appraisals, working with hedge fund investors, REO’s, apartment buildings, eviction hearings and much more. To bring Angela in as a short sale expert to help your existing client, or to send her referrals in the Pittsburg area, contact her at 412-345-8050 or email

Feb 17, 2016

Over the years Greg has accumulated many legal pad lists full of free and low-cost tools and resources for agents, and today he’s opening those legal pads and sharing the goodness with the rest of us.

First we tackled a question from the Scripts & Objections Facebook Group on how to handle a potential listing who wants to wait till they make improvements before listing. Greg explained how he would follow up and offer value with resources like his Good Guy List, pop-by’s, check-ins, offering to meet up with vendors he recommended to introduce them in person, etc.

The first set of tools and resources are for local market and neighborhood stats that will help you stay informed on your target areas.

Next we talk about how to use Zillow to find market information, and and to look for rental information. This is great for a seller client who’s looking to rent after their sale.

If you work with clients where English is not their primary language, is a great free language learning tool that makes learning fun through gamification. You can also use Word Lens (just bought by Google) to use your smartphone to translate the printed word from one language to another in real time. Check it out at:

Next Greg dips into some general tech tools and interesting resources, such as LTE-U, which may allow you to use free WiFi from the unlicensed spectrum of existing LTE networks. Visit: to learn more about LTE-U. is a free time-saving app that helps you manage your moving process including updating contacts and contacting utility companies. If you want to find someone in your database who’s contact info is outdated, use to perform a skiptrace -

We finish up by sharing some more real estate resources:

AM Open House:
Jeff Cohn’s favorite resources including Altek World for Craigslist Posting:
The Personal Marketing Company - 5-Year Postcard Follow Up for Seller Clients: Item-of-the-Month clubs perfect for closing gifts and pop-by ideas for past clients and sphere - Drop-off item ideas with scripts and taglines to go with them -
Word of Mouth: Tips and tricks to keep you top of mind and generate word of mouth with your sphere of influence -

Now that you’re armed with some great resources, apps and tools, go out and start using them to build your business and make your life easier!

Feb 15, 2016

Feel like your clients are beating you with sticks to lower your commission? In our latest episode we share two different perspectives: 1. Scripts to deal with the objections as they come up, and 2. Ways to prevent commission-cutting objections from coming up at all.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. You do not work FOR the client - The client has hired you to lead them to a certain result

2. Understand when to cut your losses and move on to other potential clients who are a better fit for you

3. Marketing efforts like building a platform and using media appearances, social proof and success stories can eliminate commission objections from every coming up

So many agents do not honestly believe that they are in charge. They believe they work for the sellers or their broker. BS. YOu are driving the ship, you’ve got to have ownership of that. And that starts with protecting your commission. -Greg McDaniel

First we answer a question on how to generate seller leads on Facebook, and Greg shared his team’s strategy for using actual buyers and their criteria to run a custom ad. Of course, you get the buyer’s permission (and use no last names) but otherwise give somes details on the buyer’s situation and the exact type of home they’re looking for.

Then we dive deep into scripts and how to handle objections from potential sellers during your List Pres/CMA meetings, Greg shares his favorite scripts for each situation. One of his favorites is to simply state what your side of the commission is and ask the seller, “What would you like to pay the buyer’s agent?” This script hits a couple birds with one stone; it reminds them that you don’t receive the full commission, explains how it’s split and forces the seller to think about attracting buyer’s agents rather than what they’re paying in total commission.

Next we go into 7 keys to prevent commission objections from every coming up.

1) Go in by Referral
2) Have an Ideal Client
3) Have a Platform
4) Have Success Stories - Testimonials, case studies, online reviews
5) Have Social Proof
6) Have a System For Everything
7) Ask Questions

You are the captain of this ship - YOU run the deal. It’s your job to get the client the result they want, and that starts with protecting your commission so you and buyer agents have every incentive to sell your client’s home.

Feb 12, 2016

If you needed a new client right NOW, what would you do? In our latest agent interview, Trey Willard shares how he’s built a referral-based real estate business thanks to the relationships he’s built with the 1,600+ people in his database. Trey can call any of those 1,600 people right now and they’d be happy to take his call.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Facebook Gifts are an easy way to thank people for sending you a referral

2. The higher the level of human contact with your database - the more effective it is

3. Before calling someone in your database, check their Facebook Timeline first

Prospecting and internet lead gen should only be built on the foundation of a great database. Start with the people you know and make sure they know what you do. You don’t have to aggressively ask for referrals. Make simple check-in calls, bring value and make a genuine connection with them and the referrals will come naturally.

Guest Bio

Trey Willard is the the Lead Residential Agent for Donnie Jarreau Real Estate, a new division of a prominent local developer. Prior to starting this division, Trey was Keller Williams Rookie of the Year (2010) and Top Producer 2010-2012. Any referrals you have in the Baton Rouge area, please send them to Trey via email:

Feb 10, 2016


Live streaming video is taking over the social media conversation. The tactics will change constantly but there are 4 strategic uses for live streaming that will always apply.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Live stream your Open Houses to demonstrate your value to current and potential clients

2. Use live streaming tools to build a Platform and reach a larger audience of your sphere and potential clients

3. Offer live streaming video as an alternative to your weekly update calls

First we answer a question from the Facebook Lead Gen Scripts & Objections Group on how to make prospecting calls on Sundays, and Greg rants about his exhausting Super Bowl experience.

We also teased our upcoming test with a live streaming video platform called Smiletime, which allows you to host a live interactive video show with live chat and video call-ins from guests. We’re excited to run our first event and hopefully it goes well enough that we can make it a recurring interactive podcast event.

Then we dive into live streaming video, and the 4 main strategic uses:

Better client interaction- Instead of a weekly phone call update to sellers, offer a Skype, FaceTime or Google Hangout update. I would much rather do a video call than an audio call.
Demonstrating Value to Existing Clients - Live streaming Open Houses, door-knocking sessions, phone call sessions, open house invites, etc.
Platform- Building trust by using regular scheduled live streaming. Trust is about promises made and promises fulfilled over time.
Attracting New Clients Through Shareable Content- Housewarming parties, neighborhood events, local business interviews and anything else that is ideal for sharing.

Live streaming is just picking up momentum and might be poised for mass adoption. This creates a great opportunity to leverage these tools to build deeper relationships with clients and sphere as well as reach a larger audience through a Platform.

Feb 8, 2016

Jay Samit joins us again to judge the best business ideas we’ve come up with over the last 30 days. For those who watched Jay’s original appearance, Jay challenged us to come up with 3 problems a day and ideas to solve them. Today we pitch our best ideas and get live constructive feedback on how to improve our business ideas.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Every day write down 3 problems you might be able to solve

2. Don’t nurture an idea - kill it every possible way you can think of till you hit a Zombie Idea

3. Scratch your own itch - some of the best product ideas were created by people outside of an industry solving their own problems

So take the 30-day challenge and start writing down three ideas a day for problems you could solve. Doing this exercise helps you to see the world in a different way - as a series of problems that can be solved instead of just obstacles to your happiness. In those 90 ideas could be the seeds of a billion dollar company.

Guest Bio

Jay Samit is a serial entrepreneur, intrapreneur, innovator and pioneer in the music, video distribution, social media and eCommerce space. His background includes stints as head of Digital Distribution at EMI, adjunct professor at USC, senior management roles at Sony and Universal Studios and taking the video chat service ooVoo to over 100 million users. He currently serves as the CEO of SeaChange Int’l, and recently released the book Disrupt You!

Visit to receive a free copy of the 40 page Disrupt You! companion workbook.

Feb 5, 2016

Who the hell are we and why do we do this? In our latest episode we decided to tackle all that in one show. We share our backgrounds in life and real estate, the purpose and future of the podcast and why we don’t sell coaching.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Don’t give up - even market crashes create opportunities to get better

2. Know your competitive advantage so you present it to potential clients in any form- verbal, written, voicemail or email

3. Sometimes you have to humble yourself and ask for help


Remember, even market crashes can create opportunities to get better, learn new skills and become even more successful. It’s all in how you respond to what happens to you. 

Feb 3, 2016

100% of nothing is still nothing. That’s why we believe commission splits should be toward the bottom of your list of concerns when looking at brokers. In this episode you’ll learn the key things that make a great brokerage so you know exactly what to look for when selecting a brokerage to join.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Don’t chase commission splits. 100% of nothing is still nothing

2 Interview multiple brokers - don’t join a brokerage where you’re swimming uphill against the culture

3. Look for brokerages where the incentives are aligned so agents and admin staff are motivated and rewarded for helping newer team members

Look for a friendly, knowledgeable, experienced and generous atmosphere around the broker office, and take the time to ask current agents, office staff and agents who have left the brokerage you’re interested in to get the full picture of that brokerage. Only then make your decision on brokerage to join, and whatever you do, don’t chase commission splits!

Feb 1, 2016

Borrowing against life insurance policies are a creative (and possibly tax-free) way for buyers to come up with their down payment. Insurance Planning Specialist Rob Hansen joins us to share how that works as well as lessons he’s learning building referral relationships with Financial Advisors.

Takeaways + Tactics

1. Homebuyers in their 40’s to early 60’s with 10+ year-old life insurance policies are great candidates for borrowing against their policies

2. Hone your elevator pitch to referral partners by focusing on the benefits to them of working with you

3. When building referral relationships, look the part. Your dress and style should convey that you are a part of their world.

In summing up his approach, Rob explained that people buy from you based on three things: Why should I work with you? What do I get out of it? and How does it benefit me to work with you? Focus on answering those three questions and you’ll attract more clients, more referral relationships and more business.

Guest Bio

Rob Hansen is an Insurance Planning Specialist at BKA Financial. In addition to helping consumers with their insurance needs Rob also drives revenue for financial advisors by identifying and delivering life insurance solutions for Financial Advisors and their clients. Connect with Rob via phone at 925-200-3635 and via email at